New Park is a stunning and inspirational wedding venue and retreat center with several special spaces to accommodate overnight guests. New Park can host large and small gatherings - weddings, reunions, anniversaries, memorials, wellness retreats, corporate retreats, etc. New Park's incredible dog-friendly suites and cottages have stonework, stained glass, and details that make a romantic and special place to stay. New Park is located in Ithaca, just north of the city and just south of Taughannock Falls, in the stunning Finger Lakes region of upstate New York. There are many things to do in the Finger Lakes to satisfy your wanderlust, including wine tasting, hiking, boating, and hot air ballooning. ​ You can learn more about New Park here on our website, and our Facebook page, Instagram page, and by booking a (low pressure) coffee chat with one of our event coordinators. You can also book a tour to view New Park. New Park is a special place best experienced in person.

Blenheim Hill Farm is a heavenly wedding destination in the Catskills mountains. We grow the food and cook it for you in ​our ​own kitchen. You don't have to worry about outside catering, rentals, or even a planner. Our in-house team—at the farm and at our NYC restaurant—help you every step of the way, and everything is included. Our historic farmhouse ​onsite ​is a gorgeously appointed sanctuary for you and your family, and sleeps up to 20 guests. With over 15 years in farm-to-table dining and destination weddings, we are committed to hosting your best-day-ever with extraordinary attention to detail, making it a very personal experience. Please read our couples reviews. Blenheim is located a little over 2.5 hours from NYC.

Happily ever after begins at The Otesaga Resort Hotel. Celebrate together in a timeless setting with century-old oak trees and glistening crystal chandeliers. Soft moonlight on shimmering waters. Champagne and passed hors-d'oeuvres. Feel the undeniable romance of a luxurious lakeside wedding that's infused with sophistication and charm. Whether you're planning an intimate al fresco reception by the water or an opulent party in the ballroom. Your guests will know that they're in for a treat from the moment they arrive at our magnificent mansion, with soaring columns and an imposing front portico that exude majesty and grace. Be enchanted by moments of whimsy and delight: candid photos on the dance floor, stolen kisses on the waterfront, ice cream sandwiches on the Veranda. Come together with family and friends to honor true love with a celebration that's simply perfect.

At Hayloft on the Arch we are more than just a DIY venue. We offer extensive coordinating with any package you choose. That means, throughout your planning process we are here to call on with any questions regarding vendors, the timeline, the floor plan of your event, etc. And the day of? Aunt Suzie can rest - we have it all under control! You drop off your decor & we set it up to your specifications. We are on site from the first person who arrives until the end of the event & your belongings are repackaged, making sure your day runs smooth & on schedule.

In the 95 years we have been in operation, lifelong friendships and treasured memories have grown at our Club! ​Our mission is to provide an enjoyable and high-quality experience for you and your family. Our Club environment fosters friendship and camaraderie, and our team of expert professionals cannot wait to share their wisdom and their passion for their chosen sport ​with you amidst comprehensive facilities and the stunning beauty of our two, 18-hole golf courses.

The Lincklaen House is a historic wedding venue and grand hotel in Cazenovia, New York. The space is an elegant and unique site that will create a romantic ambiance for your special day. The Lincklaen House has been a welcoming and comfortable venue for travelers and betrothed couples alike for over 180 years, even having housed President and Mrs. Grover Cleveland. Their experienced staff will make you feel at home, and the meals will leave you talking about them for years to come. The stunning architecture provides the perfect backdrop for photos, inside and outside. With a wedding at The Lincklaen House, your memories will last a lifetime.

Looking for one of the best Upstate New York wedding venues? We have you covered! With acres of outdoor access, our three unique venues nestled between landscaped gardens, a dedicated location for a tent ,and a cottage on-site - we are the perfect place to host your entire weekend with ease.  We include much in our packages, like the climate comforts and decor,  lounges, and even a planning package with Elizabeth Moore of Paper Crane Calligraphy to save you time and stress so you can celebrate. 

Blending history with modernity. SKY Armory is an urban, chic venue in the heart of downtown Syracuse NY. Featuring three loft-style ballrooms that can accommodate events from 50-900 guests. Whether you’re planning a wedding, a gala, or a corporate event, we’ll take care of all the details. Our event teams work closely with our clients to create not just events, but experiences that are extraordinary and memorable. Each couple getting married at SKY Armory falls in love (pun intended) with how flexible we are with our event spaces. We like to say 'mi casa, su casa' because we want you to know that when you're in our home, it's your home and want your style reflected in all aspects of the celebration. Instead of saying 'no,' we find a way.

We're more than just a wedding venue. When you choose Arlington Acres, you're continuing the 150 year tradition of creating memories on our family farm. From your first tour, you'll notice the difference in the care, passion and personal attention we provide all our couples.

Our private climate controlled and handicap accessible 8,000sf venue is set amid rolling green pastures, and intoxicating vistas of the rolling hills, streams, waterfalls, and meadows. Enjoy the fresh air and pristine views from 206 acres nestled on the banks of the Cowasselon Creek, in Madison County’s picturesque countryside. ​​ Our spectacular setting will give you uniquely creative photo opportunities, as well as, a one-of-a-kind destination that offers you complete privacy for your next gathering. It offers the perfect backdrop for your intimate ceremony, reception, shower, corporate picnic, wedding or other celebratory event, along with an unforgettable experience. ​​ ​Pairing romance and charm with simple luxuries and privacy, the estate will offer a secluded slice of paradise. We look forward to sharing the special spirit of our land with you!

Stunning ballroom nestled on a Jack Nicklaus designed golf course. Private cocktail hour location and covered balcony overlooking the 18th hole. On-site waterside ceremonies & inside location available. On-site bridal suite and options for your partner to get ready. Customized floor plans, multiple bar offerings, menus from plated, buffet & stations. Preferred vendor list for booked clients. Floor length linens & napkins in over 40 colors to choose from. Gold dust chiavari chairs, table numbers, card box, cake server & knife. Decor & signage rentals. On-site accommodations for bride & groom. On-site security & a smoke free facility. Allow one of our experienced event planners to take care of all your details and execute your vision while you sit back and enjoy your big day! Inquire for custom quotes and current specials.

Congratulations, and thank you for considering The Sherwood Inn for your special occasion! We offer service excellence and professionalism in a warm, friendly and uniquely beautiful setting in the heart of the village. The Sherwood Inn has been a popular venue for weddings for over two centuries. With its beautiful scenic views of Skaneateles Lake and its setting in the midst of the historic Village of Skaneateles, our beautifully restored colonial inn creates an idyllic setting for any wedding.

When you get married at Ashling, you get the entire property to yourself. From your rehearsal to your day-after brunch, it's all yours. We handle the tent, tables, chairs, and bathroom trailer. Plus we have a wedding coordinator on-site for you, along with unique accommodations for 20 people. You choose your caterer and DJ, and we make it happen.

Situated on the grounds of a historic beanery, Hartlot Happening is a reclaimed industrial event space conveniently located 5 miles from the village of Skaneateles and close to Route 5. We offer a modern, industrial environment with an urban vibe in a private, rural setting. Our 19th-century concrete buildings have been thoughtfully updated to preserve their character. The venue and courtyard combined offer over 3000 square feet of versatile space. The courtyard can be tented in case of inclement weather. ​ Hartlot Happening offers both indoor and outdoor options for your special day. Whether you prefer an indoor or outdoor celebration, Hartlot Happening has you covered. With a capacity of up to 120 guests, our venue caters to intimate gatherings and larger weddings alike.

Set in the serene Skaneateles country woods, Aster provides Skaneateles a wedding venue unlike any other. The landscape caters to the ideal outdoor event with a high peak sailcloth pole tent, large custom deck, an intimate ceremony space and more.

Riverbend Events is a romantic wedding venue in Weedsport, New York. Begin your forever at our breathtaking weekend wedding destination, where rustic sophistication meets natural beauty. Riverbend Events is located just one mile north of NYS Thruway exit 40 on the Seneca River in Weedsport, New York. Enjoy 40 acres of wooded trails, ponds, rivers, fields of wildflowers, sunflowers, and poppies. There is ample parking space available for your guests, and you can get ready onsite in one of our bridal cabins. We only book one wedding per weekend, so you are welcome to stay and enjoy the property with your family and friends.

Nestled in this rich, historic landscape, Springside Inn continues to offer the best of Finger Lakes' atmosphere and hospitality. Springside Inn is located across the road from the western shore of Owasco Lake, one of the Finger Lakes. Every event held at Springside Inn is guaranteed to be as unique and unforgettable as the couple being celebrated.

Centrally Located in Auburn, NY in the Heart of the Finger Lakes and Wine Country. We would love to host your family and friends as they celebrate this joyous moment in your life with you! The Holiday Inn Auburn ~ Finger Lakes, would love for you to consider us as the host of your upcoming shower, rehearsal dinner, overnight guest rooms and wedding reception! Ease your mind, relax, and allow us to take care of each and every detail of your special day. On-site Burger Theory restaurant and lounge, comfortable and welcoming atrium, and sparkling indoor pool, we have something to offer all of your guests for any of your very important events! Each package includes passed and displayed hors d’oeuvres, fresh garden salad, and several plated and buffet menu options. Exceptional customer service is our ultimate goal. Weddings to remember and a night you truly can enjoy are waiting for you at the Holiday Inn Auburn ~ Finger Lakes!

Our venue was originally used for pilot simulation training. Picture a 2,500 sq ft ceiling to floor windows located in upstate New York which is complemented by our picturesque changing of each 4 season. Recently remolded, lighting, flooring and new chic bar to be customized your way! We can accommodate 1-120

Located in a majestic mountain valley, Greek Peak Mountain Resort is the perfect location for a wedding in any season. We offer various settings to make your day just as you imagined, whether it is Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall. Do you envision your day in an elegant wedding tent? Greek Peak has a brand new elegant wedding tent situated in beautiful picturesque surroundings. Would you prefer an indoor reception? We have a ballroom complete with a veranda on our mountain side. If your vision is an outdoor ceremony by a lake, we have that as well. Whether you imagine a winter wonderland wedding, or a wedding amidst beautiful autumn colors, or one surrounded by the beautiful green hills of the region, Greek Peak Mountain Resort has it all. Your wedding day should be everything you dreamed of! At Greek Peak Mountain Resort, we will help you design and customize what you have always imagined for your perfect wedding day.

Izzo's White Barn Winery is a family owned and operated, New York State licensed farm winery. We are located in beautiful Upstate New York, between Syracuse and Rochester in the award-winning Finger Lakes Wine Region. At Izzo's you have the benefit of holding your private event not only at a winery but also in our rustic one-hundred-year-old barn. The “White Barn” is a blank canvas and flourishes between late May and early October. With the options that we offer we have the flexibility and staff to meet your unique needs. We're excited to work with you and help bring your vision to life.

Welcome to the John Joseph Inn, where timeless elegance meets modern luxury in the heart of the Finger Lakes region. Named after founder John Hamilton, our estate boasts 110 acres of picturesque grounds. Whether an intimate gathering or grand celebration, our versatile spaces exude romance and sophistication. Our six luxurious inn room suites and cottage seamlessly blend classic charm with modern amenities, offering a serene escape amidst the scenic beauty of our estate. Renowned Chef John Joseph Hamilton curates wedding menus harmonizing creativity, flavor, and local flair. His culinary creations showcase a passion for innovation, exceeding expectations and reflecting your unique love story. With a commitment to exceptional service, the John Joseph Inn ensures a seamless wedding experience. From arrival to farewell, we create a warm and welcoming atmosphere, allowing you to savor every moment.

Curtis Manor is a rustic barn venue located in Oswego, New York. This newly renovated dairy homestead offers everything you'll need for a picturesque, nature-inspired event. With a young apple orchard, pond, and several elegant indoor spaces from which to choose, it is an ideal place for family reunions, weddings, community events, corporate meetings, or team-building events both large and small. The relaxed environment and accommodating spaces fit both formal events and casual get-together events. No matter what your event vision may be, choose Curtis Manor to make it come to life.

Imagine a collection of historic inns, restored to luxury, with beautiful balconies and porches overlooking pristine Cayuga Lake. Picture sweeping lawns that roll down to the water’s edge, where the sun sets each night in a riot of golden hues. Add exquisite artwork, from-scratch meals, and all of the on-site assistance you never knew you needed. Visit and see why we’ve been hailed by BRIDES as the “perfect place for a weekend wedding” and by Country Living as “America’s best-kept secret.”

Dutch Harvest Farm sits on 50 picturesque acres along the east side of the Cayuga Lake Wine Trail (Route 34B) in Lansing, NY. The Farm is bordered by tall mature trees that create a wooded-wonderland but not to be out done by the cascading falls running the length of the property into Cayuga Lake. We are conveniently located only 15 minutes from downtown Ithaca, the Ithaca Tompkins Regional Airport (ITH) and an hour from Syracuse Hancock International Airport (SYR). ​ Our 7,000+ square foot event barn offers many layout options that let you design the event your way. The barn can comfortably seat 280+ people inside for a reception and there is no need for a tent with plenty of ceremony options such as the enclosed loft, attached porches, custom pavilion or our lavish gardens. You have plenty of layout options - it's your day, plan it your way! ***Date availability, pricing information or tour requests must be submitted on our website***

The Black Barn is where the forest will write your love story. A stunning black barn surrounded by 45 acres of old world forest. A rustic gathering pavilion, three glamping sites and luxury RV. Moss, Firefly's and wildflowers just add to the experience.

As the premiere sustainable wedding venue in the Finger Lakes, we focus on creating unforgettable memories for you and your guests, AND being kind to the planet. We truly believe that you can leave a small footprint on your big day. We provide a bespoke experience for all of our couples. We strive to support your vision, while helping you navigate the logistics. You will have exclusive use of the rustically elegant barn, farmhouse and land during your rental period, and we will be by your side the whole weekend to help manage your vendors and address any concerns. We are not a wedding factory! We host a limited number of weddings each season, so we can give your event the attention it deserves. Our stunning countryside views and historic farm buildings offer unique opportunities to create a charming and inviting venue for an intimate gathering or lavish event only a short drive outside of Ithaca, NY. Let us capture your imagination and help make your event dream a reality!

This luxury boutique hotel overlooks Cayuga Lake and is just 9 miles from Ithaca, New York, in the heart of the Finger Lakes Wine Trail. The estate combines modern accommodations, private guest houses, and a majestic Victorian Inn next to one of the tallest waterfalls in the country. The Inn at Taughannock has three on-site wedding venues, including a new one-acre wedding garden. The wedding garden, named "Enchantment", has a 100' x 60' translucent sailcloth tent, a 42' alabaster bar, and a dry-stack stone fire place that it took four masons one year to build. In addition to these marvelous features there are also three fire-pits on site, one of which is cantilevered and hangs above the outer wall over looking Cayuga Lake. Our full service event planning team is ready to provide you with a concierge style service as they help you navigate every facet of the wedding planning journey. This all inclusive venue is the perfect location for the next piece of your history.

Surrounded by the splendid beauty of the Cornell University campus and just a short walk from the iconic Sage Chapel, we offer the perfect backdrop for your one of a kind wedding. Feel at home in our elegant Ballroom or in our more intimate and casual venues. Allow our experienced wedding consultant to assist you in creating a personalized and memorable wedding.

One of the most distinctive historic properties in the Finger Lakes, the former White Gazebo Inn B&B, is now open for seasonal events, celebrations and Weddings! This historic regional property is an ideal setting for bridal showers, weddings, and receptions! The White Gazebo is home to an original Victorian gazebo built in 1853, as well as a picturesque period barn, sprawling pastures, and quiet woodland privacy. The regal, historic home includes a private terrace and patio for gathering and reception cuisine, and extensive grounds for walking, or just sitting and sipping wine and enjoying the bounty of the Finger Lakes. Flowers bloom all around! The Inn is a charming, cozy historic home with a recent addition with key amenities- It sleeps 10-12 with a Master Bedroom suite, a cozy family room, and a utility room perfect for staging. The upstairs has two bedrooms and a shared bathroom with windows facing the historic gazebo. The Inn is negotiable with a wedding or reception booking.

This storybook and historic Sherwood Hotel offers the perfect setting for weddings, banquets, reunions, and special events. A magical location in the setting of Greene, New York, just 20 miles from Norwich and 20 miles from Binghamton.

Gilbertsville Farmhouse is a 125-acre, resort-style luxury farm in the mountains of central New York, hosting weddings of up to 200 guests. We specialize in 3-day weekend weddings, with 30 designer lodging suites and a 2-story treehouse-inspired Sweetheart Glamping Safari Tent. We are known for our laid-back vibe and luxurious and chic spaces. Gilbertsville Farmhouse has 4 spectacular barn spaces, including a stunning chandelier-filled reception barn and an after-party lounge that rivals and NYC cocktail bar. Our free-roaming farm animals set a majestic backdrop to a unique and fun-filled weekend, and add character and beauty to an already scenic mountainside setting. We are home to the famous NY Goat Yoga goats and our resident beer burros, Frida and Chico! Gilbertsville Farmhouse is a top destination venue - a favorite of musicians, actors, and other creatives. Celebrate like celebrities and plan the "best weekend ever" at a venue that has no comparison anywhere in the world.

Everything on one property! Rehearsal, ceremony, celebration, and farewell. Welcome to The Grove where you can create a wedding and ceremony as unique as you! All day exclusive access to the property for Friday and Saturday with optional extended Sunday rental for brunch and farewell activities. Beautiful back patio for cocktail hour with propane fire pit and bar plus side patio! On-site ceremonies (indoor and outdoor) and receptions. Non-denominational Chapel and climate controlled Reception Hall. Two Wedding Dressing Rooms for both parties to prep. Full kitchen for catering, tables and chairs for up to 150, food service tables, dance floor and bars. Large, well kept lawns, can accommodate larger tent weddings of 150-300 guests. Onsite parking. Let's celebrate together at The Grove of Butternut Valley in Morris NY.

Celebrate your wedding in an extravagant fashion. Say "I do" in the charismatic village of Fayetteville, minutes from downtown Syracuse. The ceremony and rehearsal dinner is sure to inspire hearts in one of our indoor or outdoor venues. Share your reception time with the family and friends you love. Our professional wedding planners will see to it that you do. We start with your vision, outline the to-do’s, and handle every detail from your venue design and catering to your Champaign toast and guest accommodations. So you relax and enjoy your day.

The Orchards barn is set in picturesque Jamesville, New York - located just 10 miles south of downtown Syracuse, New York. The Orchards barn is at the heart of a beautiful valley and was built with barn weddings and farm weddings in mind. With 150 acres of breathtaking landscapes, The Orchards property offers scenic country views, a pond, a tree farm, apple orchards, a gazebo and plenty of friendly horses, alpacas and mini donkeys to create the perfect backdrop for your barn wedding.

The Brewster Inn is a fine dining establishment with several different dining rooms to accommodate both small and large parties. We are able to host private functions ranging from 20 – 50 people and wedding receptions up to 180 people. We also have 17 beautifully appointed guest rooms, five of which have breath-taking views of the lake. Our brick terrace with a seasonal awning overlooks the spacious lawn down to the lakefront and is a perfect setting for dining and dancing. For your convenience we have created two wedding options – sit down and food stations, each of which is based on a four-hour reception. In-season, weddings are held primarily on Saturdays. We offer afternoon weddings from 1-5pm. There are some exceptions during the off-season for smaller more intimate receptions.

Nestled in the picturesque countryside of Cazenovia, New York, you’ll find a convenient all-in-one venue for single or multi-day events. From Rehearsal Dinner to Ceremony to Reception to After-Party to Sleeping, we’ve got you covered!

Congratulations on your recent engagement to be married! There is no greater cause for celebration than the biggest day of your life. We are honored to be considered as host for your special day! We have two elegant ballrooms totaling more than 6,400 square feet of dining space, along with pre-function space to host your cocktail reception. Our Regency Ballroom accommodates up to 220 guests. While we excel at weddings, also consider us to host an engagement party, bridal shower, rehearsal dinner or a farewell brunch. Rest assured knowing that our attentive and professional staff will be with you every step of the way. Our hotel is just the place you are looking for to share an unforgettable time with the people you care about most. We hope to hear from you soon!

Celebration Event Hall is a full-service banquet facility. Everything needed from linens, chairs, tablecloths, plates, glasses, food, alcohol & more are available. We also offer servers and bartenders for passed or buffet-style functions. We have a full liquor bar including beer and wine. Martinis, Manhattans, Cabernets & Bottled Beer is just a few choices of alcohol that you can choose from for your event. We can also do a custom drink menu to fit your needs. We offer Catering on-premises or off. Our menu or Custom. Delivered or Picked up. Whether you need lunch for an office party or dinner at your choice of venue, Celebration Event Hall will definitely impress. Liquor and servers are available upon request.

The Kester Homestead is a historic farm venue located on the cusp of Finger Lakes Region in Upstate NY. Enjoy access to the entire property for the duration of your gathering weekend. Stay in the 1854 House, wander the trails to our Woodland Cathedral for ceremony, then dine and dance in our Wild Garden and Gambrel Barn.

We are hoping to create a memorable experience in our extraordinary setting. We are located at the beautiful historic old Sinclair Chair Factory built in 1871 on Skaneateles Creek. With gorgeous views and attention to historic detail, our goal is to produce a unique setting to create memories of a lifetime. Guests have all day access, will be the only event occurring in our facility that day, and have 100% of our attention! We are only 1.9 miles from the center of Skaneateles village. The village offers a multitude of attractions with many great eateries, bars, clothing stores, antique shops and more. Also, the lake provides a great opportunity for fun activities with friends and family.

Your intimate event at Mirbeau is in the storybook village of Skaneateles, the grand entrance to the Finger Lakes wine region. It’s easy to see why a wedding meant to be authentically shared would be perfect in this setting. With the industry currently trending towards even smaller "Micro" Weddings or elopements we are so happy to now offer our couples a Mirbeau exclusive Elopement Package! Weddings held at Mirbeau Inn and Spa are guaranteed to be unique, charming, and elegant. Understanding that wedding planning can be stressful, the venue provides each couple with a coordinator that will help them through the whole planning process and the day of the event.

You are making your way down the aisle. All eyes fall upon you as you approach your spouse-to-be. You take your vows on the shores of the lake – the setting sun dancing off the waters just for you or in the gazebo with the classic buildings in the backdrop for the romantic moment – and the ring slides down your finger. Hundreds of your closest family and friends smile at you. They’ve never seen someone so lovely, or more elegant. Now, it is time to celebrate your life-long journey with a top-of-the-line wedding experience like no other. Whatever your wedding dreams may be, at The White Eagle Banquet & Conference Center, we specialize in making them all come true.

Rich in familial history, Heritage Barn at the Dunham Homestead is a wedding venue located in Hamilton, NY. The property stretches over 200 acres, featuring undulating hills that allow for panoramic views of Chenango Valley. You can set up an aisle of your own design and exchange your vows. It maintains its classic, rich wooden interior and features a high vaulted ceiling, giving it a distinctly hallowed aesthetic. Boasting a capacity of up to 300 guests, there is ample room for each of your loved ones.

Stoney Creek Castle is a family-owned wedding venue in Earlville, New York. This brand new venue is only 10 minutes away from Hamilton, the home of Colgate University and a short drive from Syracuse, Utica and Binghamton. This beautiful and magical place has so much to offer. The creek that runs next to the Castle adds charm to an intimate, romantic ceremony and cocktail hour. With both indoor and outdoor event spaces, Stoney Creek Castle is an ideal location for an unforgettable wedding celebration. The venue is equipped with central heating and cooling providing all season comfort for you and your guests.

A Place For Your Together Awaits! Private, Family owned business with 115 acres of picturesque country views of hilltops, the nine mile swamp, and valley. Authentic , rustic barn over 100 years old. Hayloft open floor plan with built in large bar area, nice restrooms inside barn, decorative lighting with some old country charm furniture and props throughout. Black, round cocktail tables with assorted black chairs, larger round fold up tables all included for up to 175 guests. Set up how you wish! We also offer our large Lodge on-site (once a greenhouse) that can currently accommodate ten overnight guests. A small gathering with an additional fifteen visitors (household max 25) can be held when booking a minimum three evening stay. Appointments to view our property are welcome. Schedule with us today!

The Port Watson Mini-Conference Center is the premier venue for gatherings in the Cortland area. Located just minutes from historic downtown Cortland this family-owned business is centrally located between Syracuse, Ithaca, and Binghamton. Three indoor event spaces are available for rent, suitable to host anything from small intimate gatherings to large weddings of up to 100 guests. Our newest addition, the pavilion, is our outdoor venue perfect for weddings looking to take advantage of the warmer weather. Each room is entirely customizable to your needs and for your convenience, all tables and chairs are included in your rental.

The Cathedral Room is a former Gothic Church re-purposed for special events! It is the perfect venue for weddings, receptions, and large parties. For smaller gatherings, we suggest The Gathering Room a warm and welcoming space located at the same location