The Best Editorial Wedding Photographers in Lake Arthur, LA

“We loved Isaac and his wife, Jing, who photographed our wedding earlier this month. Isaac was super calm and collected and on top of everything. His photography style was perfect for us. He already delivered about half of our retouched photos a week after the wedding which was insane and I love every single one. He was flexible with the 5 flower girls we had in and out of pictures and the multiple areas on our venue property. Overall an amazing experience and I recommend his work to anyone and everyone looking. He was very considerate when I first reached out about his work and wanted to use him and was very mindful of his travel fees to fit in our budget.”

Love Knot Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $3,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

Hi, I’m Isaac. In my world, light is everything. The cool ambient hues at dawn, hinting at what the day may bring. Golden sun rays catching particles through a tree as friends gathers to celebrate. A Cotton candy sunset peppered by patio string-lights as a DJ plays my favorite song. We all have timeless memories logged in our minds. For me, they are based in a language of light. As a wedding photographer, this deep connection to special lighting helps me produce dynamic visual stories of romance, personality and beauty.

Madison R., 6 months ago

Anderson Marques Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $1,900
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

Anderson has won over 500 award-winning photos and 15 trophies with his work. He is a wedding photographer renowned for his artistic approach. Each click of his camera captures the essence of the couple's love story, immortalizing their special day in enchanting frames. Anderson's signature style blends creativity and elegance as he masterfully composes his shots. His attention to detail is impeccable, ensuring that every element, from the delicate lace of the dress to the radiant smiles exchanged, is beautifully showcased. His use of light and shadow adds depth and dimension, creating a captivating interplay.

“Anderson Marques is one of the best professionals my wife and I have had the pleasure of working with. He’s incredibly kind, welcoming, and guided us through every step of our wedding journey. His empathy, creativity, and attention to detail truly stood out. After meeting with several photographers, we were instantly impressed by the quality of Anderson’s work. He has a remarkable ability to capture unique and beautiful moments, ensuring they’ll be cherished forever. When we renew our vows, Anderson will be the first person we call—no question about it.”

Everson A., 3 months ago

“We were so impressed by 505 media and their quick responses and quality of photo/video they took! From the initial phases of planning, they were quick to respond and eager to help in the planning process of making sure timelines were manageable. They were able to capture all of the milestones during the day and were even willing to hop on our party bus when we wanted footage of the wedding party driving around! We were so impressed by how quick the photos were delivered! We received a text while on our honeymoon the week after our wedding that our edited photos were done and one week later we received all our pictures! You don’t hear that often from photography companies! We also watched our wedding video trailer today (which was delivered in less than 2 months from our wedding) and can’t stop watching it! I would recommend 505 media to anyone!!”

505 Media Company

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $1,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA
Offer

Hello! We are a husband and wife company. We have covered over 1000 weddings in less than 5 years all across the USA, Canada, and Mexico. We love to travel so much that we keep our prices affordable- giving us the opportunity to cover all over the USA (no travel fees). Our most popular package is our Red Carpet which gives our clients up to 10 hours of photo and video coverage, 505+ edits, and 2 wedding videos (with the whole ceremony). Check out our FB or Youtube for HUNDREDS of weddings we shot in the past.

Rachel B., 5 months ago

“Cece and her husband Ben from Ringuette Photo Co. were truly wonderful to work with! She was so communicative and was always available to answer any questions. They suggested the most perfect place to take my bridals and the photos turned out AMAZING! We had a blast with them and can't wait to see our wedding day photos!”

Ringuette Photo Co.

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $1,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

I’ve been doing photography since 2012. There has definitely been a lot of growth and sold cameras through out the years. I’m 100% self taught and I believe that shows in my work. I’m a learn by doing type person. I’m an introvert and somewhat reserved, but I can guarantee I will make some stupid joke that will make you laugh. I enjoy natural light and playing with the sun. I’m a big fan of the unconventional photos that most photographers say no to. I love love. It doesn’t matter who you are, who you love, I want to tell your love story.

Jeanne Z., 3 months ago

Everlasting Images Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $2,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

We absolutely love all things weddings. It is truly an honor when couples invite us into their lives to capture and document their special moments. Building a relationship and creating an unforgettable experience is at the forefront of everything we do.

“Everlasting Images is a family ran, small business that truly is the best out there! My husband and I totally clicked with Trey the first time we met him and knew he would photograph our wedding + all other life events! He is welcoming and comforting throughout the photography session(s) and makes you feel less camera shy. I always worried about not knowing how to pose or be candid, but Trey literally does all the work for you! We are more than amazed with our wedding/bridal/engagement photos and love every one of them! I HIGHLY recommend Everlasting Images as a photo and film studio for your wedding! Just book, you won’t regret it!!!”

Kelsey L., 3 years ago

“Shawnee was an unbelievable photographer and such a special part of our wedding weekend. From the moment we reached out to her to getting our pictures, she has been incredibly communicative, easy to work with, and deeply kind. She made us feel so at ease and taken care of at our Rehearsal Dinner and on our wedding day. She not only allowed us to be our fullest selves but also encouraged capturing us in ways that felt authentic and not stuck in expected wedding photos or gender roles. She captured our guests so beautifully too, particularly the kids who were in our wedding. Everyone's personalities shone through so wonderfully and the picture are absolutely stunning. We cannot believe how many and how incredible each and every photo is. We cannot recommend Shawnee enough!”

Shawnee Custalow Studios

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $4,700
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

We are passionate about photographing kind-hearted people who are unapologetically themselves, and creating a safe and beautiful space in the wedding world for LGBTQ+ folx. Our favorite people to work with believe in giving back to their communities, that black lives always matter, that climate change is you know...real, and choose to embrace their own unique quirks and talents.

Sasha F., 3 years ago

“Kayla Lazard Photography is an incredible wedding photographer that I would highly recommend to any couple. From the moment we first spoke, Kayla's open communication style and ability to really listen and guide us made us feel so at ease. She has an incredible talent for bringing visions to life, and the quality of her work is truly top-tier. In fact, her photography is so amazing that I think she should be shooting with celebrities and at all the red carpet events! After seeing my engagement photos, my bridesmaids underestimated her work by believing she was a white girl…they were even waiting in anticipation to see Kayla's work from my wedding day. And she did not disappoint - Kayla kept me calm and composed throughout the day, never forcing me to pose in any way just to get the job done. You can tell she puts so much love, thought, and artistry into every image. Kayla also has great rapport with the other vendors, ensuring we were all working together seamlessly as one team. I would highly recommend booking Kayla Lazard Photography as soon as possible - she is in very high demand, so be sure to reserve her for your wedding day, engagement session, and any other photography needs all at once to ensure you don't miss out. She is truly the dopest!”

Kayla Lazard Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $3,499
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

Hi, I'm Kayla, a Louisiana Photographer that will travel anywhere! I introduced myself to photography by taking a trip to Israel in college I was selected to attend. I purchased a cheap camera for the trip, came home and was suggested to start taking photos. Well, after telling myself no, here I am! I love meeting new people and getting creative with a camera in my hands. Photography just so happened to fall into my lap God. I am also a college graduate from University of Louisiana at Lafayette with bachelors degree in finance. I know, way off from Photography, lol! I’ve now been photographing for 7 years. I love, LOVE on camera!

Megan J., a month ago

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Shelby Bernice Photography LLC

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $1,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA
Offer

Hi, I’m Shelby, a wedding & elopement photographer with a love for travel and a sparkly, lively personality. I’ve had the privilege of working with couples across various destinations, bringing my energy and passion to every celebration. Raised in New Orleans, and now based out of Alabama, I service multiple southern regions. I believe in creating a genuine connection with my couples, making them feel relaxed, heard, and truly seen on their big day. Weddings & Elopements can be chaotic, but I’m here to guide you through every moment—from the first look to the final dance—capturing all the love, joy, and raw emotion in between.

“Hiring Shelby was hands down the best decision we made for our wedding! Not only did she fly 3 hours to be at our family's home, she came ready to roll. We had a small backyard wedding, and the space was intimate, and full of love. We felt so comfortable with Shelby, like we had an old friend documenting our day. Our family and friends also felt the same. Shelby made everyone feel seen and celebrated, creating a space where love was the only thing that mattered. She even handled a little family drama like a CHAMP. Every photo she took told a part of our story and we’ll cherish them forever. If you want someone who brings energy, creativity, and so much heart to your big day, look no further. Shelby made our intimate backyard wedding feel like something extraordinary. We love her!”

Thomas, 11 days ago

Jayme and Brandon Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $3,100
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

Half of a wedding photography duo who specialize in capturing the little magical in-between moments. We have been married 15 years, have two amazing kiddos, a frenchie mix, and a WRX. We love project cars, coffee dates, capturing memories, and exploring new places.

“We're always excited when we get to perform for a wedding that J&B are shooting! They are very easy to work with, very easy going, and the images they capture are breathtaking!”

Aaron Lane, 4 years ago

Where the Wild Things Wed

Astudios

Editorial style
Starts at $1,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

I have a lively personality, and i like to have fun and put smiles on everyones face. You can get the feeling of cold feet and most get nervous when making a commitment to someone for the rest of their lives, and putting a smile on people's faces can go a long way.

Editorial style
Starts at $1,200
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

Howdy I'm Jessica your elopement/intimate wedding Yoda, here to help you create the most BADASS experience! If your looking for something outside of the box, LETS CHAT! We take your elopement dreams, pull them to earth and make it happen!

WITHLOVENESSPHOTO

Editorial style
Starts at $1,400
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

Hey, soooooo stocked you're here! Let me introduce myself, my name is Vanessa Roldan I'm a small-town girl living in East Texas. I'm married to a rad dude and I'm a mom to two beautiful girls. I would describe myself as an old soul with GenZ vibes lol I stay in TikTok way too long and I love pasta. I love traveling and exploring, hiking, swimming. I'm the most chill person you will ever meet lol and I have a passion for capturing raw moments with my camera . . . Of course!

Anthony Constantine Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $1,800
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

My goal in every session or wedding is to create a low stress, enjoyable experience where even if you aren't that into getting photographed, like myself, you can still have fun. I always aim to capture authentic and natural images that reflect the couple. Getting special little moments where a couple forgets I'm there and can just be lost in the moment of there day and each other is my favorite.

“Anthony Constantine Photography was the perfect choice for our wedding day. From the moment we first spoke with him, his communication was very clear and helpful, he had a very fast response time, and of course him and his wife Tiffany are incredibly sweet. The quality of their work is truly top tier - their photos are beautiful, clean, and magazine worthy. Anthony and his team quickly adapted their plan when my brother, who wasn't going to make the wedding showed up to surprise me, and they were able to capture that precious moment. Even when the wind was fighting against them, they put in so much work to get the most perfect shots and succeeded. I would and will be recommending Anthony Constantine Photography to anyone with photography and videography needs.”

Abigail S., 3 months ago

“Luna Lion Photo Co. were an absolute joy to work with for our wedding! From the moment we first spoke with Kayti, we knew we were in good hands. She has such a friendly, knowledgeable, and fun communication style that immediately put us at ease. On the day of, Kayti was a calming presence and so much fun to be around, while still remaining incredibly professional. The final photos were truly stunning - the edit style is amazing and the poses felt so natural. We were blown away by the quality of their work, from our engagement shoot to the welcome party and everything in between. It honestly felt like we could be friends if we lived closer! We are so grateful to Kayti and the Luna Lion team for capturing our special day so beautifully.”

Luna + Lion Photo Co

5.0

Editorial style
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Destination Wedding Photographers specializing in storytelling images, providing timeless artifacts that authentically tell your story on digital and film. Utilizing documentary, editorial, and traditional techniques to create a classic and cohesive final gallery.

Amanda K., a month ago

Lucia Giuseppina Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $4,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

My style is rooted in an editorial approach, allowing me to narrate your unique love story through timeless images that highlight genuine emotions. As your photographer, I bring a heartfelt and genuine perspective, ensuring that your wedding day is portrayed in a way that truly reflects you and preserves the memories you'll cherish forever.

“We are so happy we chose Lucia to capture our elopement. Lucia is professional, fast to respond to emails and texts, helpful with decisions, accommodating to any requests, concerns, and excited to give advice. Duncan and I really wanted our photographer to capture our true emotion and to get candids of us, and Lucia DID THAT! The day felt blissful and a key point for us was that we got to enjoy the day without it feeling solely like a photoshoot which I think speaks to Lucias talent and confidence in her craft. She was good at giving guiding advice for posing without us feeling posed. I put together a Pinterest board and shot list which she really did a great job pulling inspiration from. The photos are stunning and the exact style we envisioned. Also, our sneak peak was huge and she got them to us very fast. If you are torn between photographers or are just starting your research, you're in very safe hands to stop here. We hope to continue reaching out to Lucia in the future when we start a family.”

Kirin P., 2 months ago

“Svat is a professional and an artist! We had a few hours set aside for photos before the ceremony and I honestly feel like we could have just taken pictures with Svat all day. He gives enough direction without it feeling like he's just shouting at you; the photos we've received so far are edited SO beautifully; and he worked with us to curate a mix of posed and candid shots to perfectly capture our big day! I feel like we got so lucky booking Svat and would definitely work with him again, given the opportunity!”

Bogdanov photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $4,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Bogdanov Photography is a wedding photography business located in Chicago, Il. This company serves the city of Chicago and surrounding areas while also being open to covering other United States destination weddings. Originally from Crimea, owner and operator Svyat has photographed over 600 weddings during his career in various places around the world. With his focus on candid emotions and heartfelt interactions, he will work to give couples tailor-made wedding albums a beautifully candid tone.

Gabrielle H., 3 months ago

“What can I say? Jenni is a humble and kind person. She does her best at her job. 100% professional. My husband and I had our first meeting with Jenni and we felt a match with her quickly. Afterwards we had our fall engagement pictures. We had the best pics ever ! everyone told us what beautiful pics we had, and many good comments from everyone. Jenni and her team do their best at what they do, they are very professional. My husband and I felt very comfortable and happy to have been able to do this process with her and her team. I trust on her 100%!!! Their packages are really good. My husband and I decided to do both photography and videography with them and it was the best decision. If you are looking for a photographer or videographer you have the right person here! You will not regret it! My husband and I love our pics and our friends and family told us what a great photographer we had! We can never be thankful enough for everything Jenni did for us on our special day. Jenni BIG thanks for everything you did for us! Laura & Nathan Lehman”

Jenni Summer Studios

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $5,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Jenni Summer Studios specializes in dreamy, intimate destination weddings, portraits and fashion editorials through fine art imagery & editorial story-telling. Headquarters in Southern California. Available in San Diego/LA, Oahu-Hawaii & Colorado with no travel fee. Available worldwide for travel & destination weddings.

Laura Liliana L., 4 months ago

Adelaide Street Photo + Film

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $3,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Based in the heart of Nashville and journeying with couples worldwide full-time since 2018, I specialize in crafting timeless, low-stress, editorial images and elevated, audio-centric cinematic wedding films. For the free-spirited and the adventurous, for the lovers of art and bold style, your dream wedding memories await. Everyone deserves to have their wedding captured with care, creativity, and kindness. I can't wait to create an amazing experience for you and your partner.

“TLDR: she is talented, professional & kind very helpful as someone with limited mobility. Tessa & her team photographed & recorded my wedding last weekend, and they were a dream to work with. I am chronically ill & so I knew on my wedding day I could not be running around to different locations for photos, and Tessa was extremely mindful of that fact & made sure to work within the parameters of what was doable for me. I was worried my limited mobility would mean my photos would be a little boring, but she's already sent a handful of pictures over for a sneak peek & they are GORGEOUS. Tessa is a true professional but also someone who clearly loves what she does, which I think really shows in the quality of her work. Could not be more glad to have had her & her team document my special day! :)”

Catherine, 5 months ago

Wayward Wanderess Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $2,850
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees
Offer

Hi! My name is Jacqueline and I've been in the photography industry for almost a decade. I believe that when I pick up my camera, I am there to tell a story. On your wedding day, I am there to document a new chapter of your love story. I capture all the intimate moments of your day, and then some!

“Jacqueline is amazing! We absolutely loved having her as our wedding photographer. She was so sweet and professional and really helped us make the day special! The photos themselves are incredible. They're ethereal and dreamy with just a touch of moodiness. They are perfect. We adore them!”

Kallista K., 22 days ago

Lissa Chandler Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $2,850
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Hey!! Congratulations and I'm so excited you're here! My name's Lissa (pronounced "Lyss-uh") and photographs are my jam! Also my jam? Bright colors, the lamest jokes, floral everything, weird history, and awesome ghost stories. I'm a total mother hen / perpetual big sister and I'm mom to Max, Henry, and Penelope. I love creating. I garden. I sew. I crochet. I design ridiculously cute tee shirts. But most of all? I freaking love creating photographs. A professional photographer since 2011 (eek!), my photographs are bright, happy, and totally meant to hit you in the feels. But most of all? They're a total party!

“It was such a pleasure having Lissa as the photographer for our wedding. She has taken several photos for me and my family throughout the years, and each time the photos have always been exactly what we wanted. Her photos are vibrant, full of color, and full of feeling. Lissa was sure to respond quickly to contracts, questions, and provided information in a timely manner. She listened to our desires and concerns, and when needed she provided feedback that helped us feel more comfortable and excited to work with her. She is incredibly easy to work with her. She was flexible with any photo requests that came up in the moment, and she guided and directed us for other shots she felt would turn out well when we weren't sure what to do next. She was professional and courteous to all of our wedding guests and yet always made sure to prioritize our (the bride and groom) desires and time as opposed to the rest of our wedding party. She had a happy, yet focused disposition while working with us. That focus was evident in the BEAUTIFUL pictures she took. She perfectly captured our joy that day. Turnaround time was better than expected, and we couldn't be happier with the results. We have no regrets with our choice of wedding photographer. She's amazing!”

Katy C., 8 months ago

“He flew all the way to Costa Rica to photograph our wedding. Pictures came out amazing!”

Moments Matter

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $2,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Moments Matter is the photography of Austin-based photographer, Brandon McKinney. With a passion for telling the story of clients, Brandon consistently captures photos that tell human, emotional moments. The moments that make it all worthwhile, and that we all want to look back on for years to come.

Ellen, a year ago

Bespoken Forever Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $3,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Discover The Ultimate Experience In Editorial Wedding Photography We Have Award-Winning Excellence: Our accolades speak for our passion and expertise in transforming moments into masterpieces. Your Tailored Experience: We understand that each couple is unique & our personalized approach ensures that your wedding narrative is told just the way you’ve dreamed.

“It's hard to imagine an 18 hour wedding day with 300 guests feeling "intimate." But Tina and her team worked seamlessly with all of our vendors - so we were able to catch our breath, and take a few needed minutes for ourselves. We were having so much fun, that we forgot we were actually posing. But my favorite photos are the ones that they took when we weren't looking or posing. It was so difficult picking out photos for our album because we love them all. Between our books and our prints, we have our house plastered. We are so glad we chose them.”

Christina & J., a year ago

“Akiem did an amazing job with our wedding photography. He was very flexible and accommodating and honestly fit right into our family vibe which made his presence more wanted. We are grateful that he captured our day and hope you will allow him to do the same for you! Do not hesitate to book him!”

AVisuals

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $1,650
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Akiem has built a young and successful career as a content creator in the professional sports industry. He has worked with respectable brands including, USA Hockey, USA Soccer, NFL Flag, RISE and more. However, during 2020 COVID put a stop on sports, and that allowed him to discover a new passion- an undeniable love for wedding photography and videography “I want my clients to experience my love for creativity and storytelling through serving them on the most important day of their lives.”

Jeriann, 8 months ago

“So far Lou has shot our engagement, our wedding, our restaurant opening, our baby shower, and most recently our food menu & family photos! We love Lou, always professional & a great eye for detail. Will hire again. And again. :)”

Wed By Lou

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $4,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

At WedByLou, we understand that your wedding day is a deeply personal and emotional experience. Our team is dedicated to providing a high-quality service that is both professional and empathetic. We will always treat you and your guests with the utmost respect and care, and we are dedicated to creating beautiful and timeless memories that you will cherish for a lifetime. 10. If you are searching for a wedding photography and cinematography service that will capture the romance and elegance of your special day, look no further than WedByLou.

Shealyn C., a year ago

Samantha Turco Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $4,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

With over 10 years of industry experience, my strengths clearly lie in wedding and portraiture photography. Whether you're a recently engaged couple looking for someone to preserve your journey from fiancés to newlyweds through photographs, an expectant Mama hoping to capture your maternity glow or simply wanting to document you and your loved ones during whatever special season of life you're in, I would love to hear from you, I specialize in all types of portraiture but I am renowned for my wedding and engagement photography above all else. Whatever your photo needs are, I would love to chat and find out if we're a good match.

“Sam was our girl from the beginning. She encouraged our pups in our engagement photos and worked around their lack of being photogenic. She pushed us, comfortably, out of our comfort zone. She was found by my Maid of Honor on Instagram and I immediately knew her style was what I had been looking for. When it came to wedding day I was most excited to see not only our photographer, but a friend. She was supportive, easy to work with and guided us in the right direction when needed. She knocked out our photos in a timely manor while positioning and giving great direction as to where to move to make the picture look better (something that was important to me). I am happy to scream her name for recommendations from now on & return to her in the future!”

Paige S., 7 months ago

“I absolutely love the work that they did. I felt so heard when I gave my list of shots I wanted. I love the sneak peeks I got (the very next day) they were stunning and I’m so excited to see the other photos. Definitely highly recommend them. They are well worth their price.”

Kandi Kam Photography

5.0

Editorial style
Starts at $750
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Kadijah "Kandi" Oliver is a native of Ozark, Alabama. She graduated from the University of South Alabama and serves in the military. She is the lead photographer at Kandi Kam Photography. She specializes in portraits, weddings, engagements, real estate/commercial properties, and more. She desires to freeze moments in time for her clients to memorize. She has become a trailblazer of her generation, which she doesn't take for granted. She uses each opportunity to be a blessing to others. Kandi Kam Photography is based out of North Alabama and Atlanta, Georgia. Accomplishments - Featured on 304+ News Stations and Magazines

Victoria C., a year ago

Alejo Photo + Film | Photography

Editorial style
Starts at $2,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

Alejo Photo + Film is a husband and wife photo and video duo. We love love and adventure, and we especially love combining the two! We are trilingual (English, Spanish, Japanese) and experienced travelers. We offer digital photo and video, drone footage, 35mm film photos, and super 8mm film videos.

Heather Voncannon Photography

Lacy Jessica Photography

Editorial style
Starts at $2,500
Serves Lake Arthur, LA for additional fees

The girl gang at it's finest. We are here to support you and your partner make it through the longest and best day of your life. Guaranteed to make you laugh throughout the day and give it the cherry on top moments. Making a mix of candid and editorial moments capturing of the most important times to have a truly special day. You won't find another group that works so seamlessly together for you.

Editorial style
Starts at $2,000
Serves Lake Arthur, LA

I am a wedding and elopement photographer based in North Carolina, but offering travel all over. If there's pretty skies and genuine love, I'm in! I quote The Office a lot and probably have watched Harry Potter way too many times for a grown woman (but really, is there too many times?!)